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POSTED BY: Closet-Fan on 11/30/2007 00:48:08


Not to get too political, anybody watching the presidential candiate debates?




POSTED BY: Complete on 12/03/2007 14:38:52


I'm hearing bits and pieces on the radio but have not seen the actual debate on the TV or youtube yet.

To me, it sounds like neither party has a clear winner at this point and there are many undecided voters. Honestly, I'm not thrilled with any of the candidates from either side. 

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POSTED BY: ladyfighter on 12/04/2007 09:44:57






Complete wrote:



Honestly, I'm not thrilled with any of the candidates from either side. 





Who ever really is!? lol 


 I know some of the issues I hope to hear! But again neither side has a clear winner.  I certainly would like to hear that the "Socialized Healthcare System" is going to be a REAL possibility!! 





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POSTED BY: Closet-Fan on 12/06/2007 19:49:57


I'm all for affordable health care for all but not sure I like the term "socialized health care"
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POSTED BY: MMA_Fan on 12/21/2007 23:22:35


No clear winner for me. I'm very much undecided and unimpressed with all of the candidates....




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POSTED BY: Complete on 12/26/2007 15:45:59


I think as a citizen, we should spend the time to get to know each candidates and find out where they stand. After all, one of these guys or girl will have the most important job in the world next year. We should make sure the right person gets the job.
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POSTED BY: vysokij on 09/07/2008 08:32:39



Closet-Fan wrote:
I'm all for affordable health care for all but not sure I like the term "socialized health care"

I'm all for affordable anything!

But not at the expense of individual liberty and the primacy of the US Constitution.





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POSTED BY: ladyfighter on 10/17/2008 10:34:43



FactChecking Debate No. 3
October 16, 2008
Sorting out fact and fiction in the presidential candidates' final debate.
Summary
Spin and hype were apparent, once again, at the third and final debate between McCain and Obama:

  • McCain claimed the liberal group ACORN “is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history ... maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.” In fact, a Republican prosecutor said of the first and biggest ACORN fraud case: “[T]his scheme was not intended to permit illegal voting.” He said $8-an-hour workers turned in made-up voter registration forms rather than doing what ACORN paid them to do.
  • McCain said “Joe the plumber” faced “much higher taxes” under Obama’s tax plan and would pay a fine under Obama’s health care plan if he failed to provide coverage for his workers. But Ohio plumber Joe Wurzelbacher would pay higher taxes only if the business he says he wants to buy puts his income over $200,000 a year, and his small business would be exempt from Obama’s requirement to provide coverage for workers.

    Update Oct. 16: ABC News reported the morning after the debate that Wurzelbacher admitted to a reporter that he won't actually make enough from his new plumbing business to pay Obama's higher tax rates. ABC said his admission "would seem to indicate that he would be eligible for an Obama tax cut."
  • Obama repeated a dubious claim that his health care plan will cut the average family’s premiums by $2,500 a year. Experts have found that figure to be overly optimistic.
  • McCain claimed that Obama’s real “object” is a government-run, single-payer health insurance system like those in Canada or England. The McCain campaign points to a quote from five years ago, when Obama told a labor gathering that he was “a proponent of a single-payer health care program.” But Obama has since qualified his enthusiasm for Canadian-style health care, and his current proposal is nothing like that.
  • Obama incorrectly claimed all of McCain’s ads had been “negative.” That was true for one recent week, but not over the entire campaign. And at times Obama has run a higher percentage of attack ads than McCain.

  • McCain described Colombia as the "largest agricultural importer of our products." Actually, Canada imports the most U.S. farm products, and Colombia is far down the list.
  • Obama strained to portray himself as willing to break ranks with fellow Democrats. His prime example was his vote for a bill that was supported by 18 Democrats and opposed by 26. Congressional Quarterly rates him as voting with his party 97 percent of the time since becoming a U.S. senator.
For details on these and er misleading claims, please read on to the Analysis section at

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_3.html




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